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Video TitleTIGER BLUE- VOYAGE INDONESIA - TIger Blue is a luxury traditional timber phinisi
Nitrox DivingThis liveaboard does not have nitrox available.
Dietary Requirements Catered ForThe onboard chefs will cater for your personal dietary requirements, e.g. food allergies like gluten or lactose intolerance, and religious beliefs. This means you can enjoy the onboard meals. You are advised to add any dietary requirements to your special requests at step 2 of the booking form. Please limit these dietary requests to religious beliefs or food allergies.
Diving CoursesThis liveaboard offers diving courses, which means you benefit from being able to advance your diving skills. These training courses are an extra charge.
Scuba Gear RentalYou can rent scuba gear on this dive boat so you benefit from being able travel light and simply rent all your scuba equipment once onboard.
InternetThere is no WIFI or internet available on this liveaboard.
Ensuite CabinsCabins on this dive boat benefit from having ensuite bathrooms, so you can shower and get ready in private (Check when booking that the cabin you choose has an ensuite bathroom).
Aircon CabinsEach cabin has air-conditioning, which means you can choose your own cabin temperature for personal comfort and a good nights sleep.
Private CharterThis liveaboard is available for private charter. If you charter this dive boat you have more flexibility over the choice of dive sites (with the captain's approval), the type of diving and total number of divers/guests onboard (subject to the maximum number of guests onboard - see below).
DIN AdaptersIf you have DIN regulators do not worry as this liveaboard has DIN to Yoke regulator adaptors onboard.
Relaxing between dives
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Liveaboard Review Introduction
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Liveaboard Know Before You Go
Liveaboard.com Booking linkBoat typeDiver certification (Depends on itinerary)Dive coursesDiving Experience (Depends on itinerary)
1811729281245Know Before You GoThe MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard "Know Before You Go" and "Know Before You Book" summary is to help you choose the right boat for diving Indonesia:IntroductionAll-inclusive trip with up to 20 dives on the MSY Tiger Blue Indonesia liveaboard from £422/day ($532/€490) & rated 9.6. Up to 12 divers on a 34m 112f Indonesian wooden phinisi dive boat with 5 cabins, 5 bathrooms + aircon cabins, for charter, caters for dietary requirements, ensuite cabins, dive courses, scuba gear rental.Liveaboard.com Booking linkMSY Tiger BlueBoat Attributes34m (112f) : 5 cabins + 5 bathrooms for 12 guests.Boat typeIndonesian wooden phinisiDiver certification (Depends on itinerary)Open Water Diver, Advanced Open Water DiverScuba gear rentalYESDive coursesYESDiving Experience (Depends on itinerary)20-35 logged dives, 50 logged divesPrices starting at£422/($532/€490)* per day. *Exchange rate used: GBP to USD: 1.26; GBP to Euro 1.16.Type of DestinationIndo-Pacific RegionDiving Destinations (Area 1)*Raja Ampat Dive Sites:, Alyui Bay (One of Raja Ampat's best muck dive sites + Dive the Cendana Pearl Farm Jetty), Kawe Island (pulau Kawe), Mioskon Island, Pef Island (Pulau Pef), Piaynemo Island (Pulau Piaynemo or Penemu - Ultramarine Blue Lagoons; Monumental Pinnacles & Untouched Beaches), Wayag Island (Pulau Wayag - Conical Karst Islands & Crystall Clear Sapphire Seas and the world's first confirmed Manta-Ray nursery), Wofoh Island (Pulau Wofoh), Yanggefo Island (Pulau Yanggefo), Yenbeser Dive (Can be a night dive).Diving Destinations (Area 2)*Komodo National Park Dive Sites:, Batu Bolong (Pinnacle Dive; Means “Hollow Rock” or 'Rock with the Hole'), Castle Rock (Gili Lawa Laut Island), Crystal Rock (Gili Lawa Laut Island), Gili Lawa Darat Reef Dive, Gili Lawa Laut (Lesser Sunda Islands Near Komodo Island), Karang Makassar or Manta Point "Mantas on the Moon" (Manta Reef for Manta Rays), Kode Island (Pulau Kode), Komodo National Park Diving, Makassar Island (Pulau Makassar), Manta Alley (South of Komodo Island; Dive with Manta Rays), Mauan Island (Pulau Mauan - Manta Ray Cleaning Station), Mawan Dive Site, Padar Island Diving and Trekking (Pulau Padar), Pengah Island (Pulau Pengah Kecil), Pink Beach Padar Island, Pink Beach (Pantai Merah; Komodo Island), Rinca Island - Komodo Dragon Park (On Foot to see Komodo Dragons; Maybe Addtional Charge on Some Liveaboards), Sebayur Island - Mini Wall Dive (Pulau Sebayur), Sebayur Besar, Sebayur Island (Pulau Sebayur; Known for Bumphead Parrotfish), Sebayur Kecil, Sebolong Island (Pulau Sebolong), Tatawa Besar, Tatawa Kecil, The Cauldron (a.k.a "The Komodo Shotgun" Gili Lawa Laut Island).Diving Destinations (Area 3)*Other Indonesia Dive Sites:, Alor Kecil, Alor Island (Pulau Alor - world-class muck diving), Banda Islands (Pulau Banda - The Spice Islands), Banda Neira (The Spice Islands; Schooling Hammerheads), Banda Sea (Ideal for Hammerheads), Batu Tara Volcano (Pulau Komba), Flores (Alor Archipelago; Gateway to Komodo), Flores Island (Pulau Flores), Flores Sea, Fort Belgica Banda Neira (Treck & Dive), Kalimutu Lake (Maumere; Volcanic Lake), Komba Island (Pulan Komba), Maritime Museum Banda Neira (Treck & Dive), Maumere Bay and Area, Maumere Island, Nutmeg & Vanilla plantation Banda Neira (Treck & Dive), Palu Island (Pulau Palu or Palu'e Island North Flores), Reong Island (Pulau Reong), Secret Bay (Alor Area), Takpala Village (Ternate Island; Visit resident Dugong named Mawar), Ternate Island (Pulau Ternate; Halmahera), Watupeni.Diving Destinations (Area 4)*Feedback WelcomeFeedback Welcome: Please let me know in the comments below what additional information would be useful to "Know Before You Go" and "Know Before You Book" on the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard.*Important NoteBefore you choose your departure date: Please carefully review and choose the right itinerary for the Indonesia dive sites you want to dive from the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard.
Booking tipsBefore you book and pay for your flights, you first need your itinerary dates confirmed for your MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard trip. 8 steps to follow: 1. Select an itinerary; 2. Choose your cabin; 3. Select number of people in your party; 4. Enter your email address and confirm; 5. Your trip will be held by the liveaboard operator until your dates are confirmed. 6. You'll receive a booking confirmation by email allowing you 2-3 days before payment is due; 7. Book your flights to Indonesia; 8. Pay for your MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard trip. Congratulations, you are about to embark on an amazing adventure!
Liveaboard Quick ReviewThe MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard is a 34m (112f) Indonesia Komodo boat for diving safaris for up to 12 guests enjoying 5 cabins and 5 bathrooms. This Indonesia liveaboard has a customer review rating of 9.6 out of 10 and is rated 'Exceptional' (SDE Lux Rating 81%*).
* SDE Lux Rating - See Below*SDE Lux Rating 81% - See Liveaboard Luxury Features Review section below.
Liveaboard Review TipsIf you are looking for an exceptional Indonesian liveaboard diving safari, an excellent choice is the MSY Tiger Blue diving liveaboard. Here's our quick 7 review tips of why you might like to book this Indonesia diving liveaboard boat:
1. Customer RatingThe MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has a customer review rating of 9.6 out of 10, and and customers have rated the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard "Exceptional".
2. Scuba Diving Earth Luxury Rating SummaryDiver Benefits: 7 out of 9, Liveaboard Design: 6 out of 9, Cabin Luxury: 5 out of 7, Onboard Comfort: 6 out of 7, Food Luxury: 10 out of 11, Drink Luxury: 8 out of 9. This makes an average Total SDE Lux Rating of 42 out of 52, or 81% (see below under "Liveaboard Luxury Features Review" for more details).
3. Cost Per DayThe Indonesia MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard costs from £422 per day ($532/€490)* .
4. ProsA quick list of the main pros of the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard include: aircon cabins, for charter, caters for dietary requirements, ensuite cabins, dive courses, scuba gear rental.
5. ConsA quick list of the main cons of the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard include: no internet, no nitrox.
6. Liveaboard CapacityThe MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard is 34 metres (112 feet) long, has 5 cabins and 5 bathrooms, which means it can accommodate up to 12 guests/divers.
7. Booking ItinerariesThe booking itineraries for the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard include: 5 Days/4 Nights, 8 Days/7 Nights. (But it's worth checking if more diving itineraries by clicking here: MSY Tiger Blue).
More about liveaboard discountsIf you want to find out more about how liveaboard discounts work, and in particular about discounted liveaboard trips for the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard, please scroll to the Liveaboard Discount section below.
Discover MoreTo find out more or book the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard you can do this here: MSY Tiger Blue
* NoteThe above cost per day was correct at the time of producing this article. Also, the exchange rate used for GBP to USD is 1.26 and for GBP to Euro is 1.16. For an up-to-date cost for the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard, please visit this link: MSY Tiger Blue.
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Liveaboard Discounts
Last Minute Liveaboard DealsBefore reading more about the Indonesia MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard, please take a moment to check any discounts or last minute deals in the list below. (Note: if no liveaboard discounts are listed below, unfortunately this means there are no current deals or discounts available for the MSY Tiger Blue dive boat). Please bookmark this page and check back another time. Alternatively, please check this article here: Discounted Liveaboards Offers & Last Minute Deals.
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Liveaboard DiscountsIf you're looking for a discounted liveaboard trip on the MSY Tiger Blue, it's possible to find liveaboard discounts in excess of 25%. If no discounts appear above, you may find last minute deals in the itinerary section marked as "X% Special Discount", as per the above image here: MSY Tiger Blue.
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Liveaboard Luxury Features Review
Liveaboard Luxury FeaturesThe 'Liveaboard Luxury Rating' or "SDE Lux Rating" concept is to help you choose the right diving liveaboard for your Indonesia dive trip. This means you can compare this liveaboard with other liveaboards on a like-for-like basis, and makes choosing the right liveaboard much easier.
SDE Luxury Rating Total (Max 52/52=100%)The MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard has 42 out of a total of 52 (SDE Lux Rating 81%) possible benefits and features. This total of 81% is made up of the following benefits and features:
Diver Benefits (Max 9/9=100%)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 7 out of 9 'Diver Benefits' (78%), and include: DIN Adapters: YES; Dive Courses: YES; Dive Deck: YES: Gear Rental: YES; Nitrox Onboard: NO; Private Dive Guide: NO; Rinse Hoses: YES; Shaded Dive Area: YES; Tenders For Diving: YES.
Liveaboard Design (Max 9/9=100%)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 6 out of 9 'Boat Design Features' (67%) and include: Airconditioned Saloon: NO; Charging Stations: YES; Custom Built For Diving: YES; Indoor Saloon: NO; Leisure Deck: YES; Observation Deck: YES; Outside Showers: NO; Sun Deck: YES; Warm Showers: YES.
Cabin Luxury (Max 7/7=100%)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 5 out of 7 'Cabin Features' (71%) and include: Air-Conditioned Cabins: YES; Cabin Balconies: NO; Daily Housekeeping: YES; Ensuite cabins: YES; Non-smoking Cabins: YES; Seaview cabins available: YES; TV In Cabin: NO.
Onboard Comfort (Max 7/7=100%)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 6 out of 7 'Onboard Comfort' (86%) features, and include: Beach Towels: YES, Cabin Towels: YES; Complimentary Toiletries: YES; Deck Towels: YES; Internet: NO; Laundry Service: YES; Nearly 1 to 1 Crew-to-Guest Ratio: YES.
Food Luxury (Max 11/11=100%)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 10 out of 11 'Food Features' (91%) and include: BBQ Area: NO; Beach BBQ: YES; Buffet Style: YES; Dietary Requirements Catered For: YES; Fine Cuisine: YES; Local Food: YES; Outdoor Dining: YES; Snacks All Day: YES; Vegan Options: YES; Vegetarian Options: YES; Western Style Food: YES; (Meal options include: Al Fresco Dining, Full-board Option).
Drink Luxury (Max 9/9=100%)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 8 out of 9 'Drink Features' (89%) and include: Bar: YES; Beer Available: YES; Drinking Water: YES; Fine Wines: YES; Free Soft Drinks: YES; Free Wine With Dinner: NO; Soft Drinks: YES; Tea And Coffee: YES; Wine Available: YES.
Example of Cabins
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Customer Reviews of Liveaboard
Customer ReviewsThe MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard customer reviews listed here have been chosen for you to get a feel for the scuba diving experience you'll get.
Customer Review
”Highlight of my Bali Experience. I spent 2 weeks traveling around Bali, and my time on Tiger Blue was the highlight. From the moment I stepped onto the boat, I was catered to and attended to by the staff members. My room was clean and cozy and they even did my laundry while on board. We had a gourmet chef on board who would whip up delicious treats for us anytime we asked. I would definitely stay on Tiger Blue again.” Recommended for: 5-star service. Great diving experience. Beautiful Boat.
Customer Review ByAmanda Z, from: United States scored the MSY Tiger Blue 9.2 out of 10; Review courtesy of Liveaboard.com, for more reviews and information click here: MSY Tiger Blue.
”A wonderful week on Tiger Blue, wish it was longer! The highlights of the trip included diving at castle rock, and amazing sunset hike, and lounging around on deck reading my book.” Recommended for: food, diving, comfort.
Customer Review ByDaniel W, from: United States scored the MSY Tiger Blue 10 out of 10; Review courtesy of Liveaboard.com, for more reviews and information click here: MSY Tiger Blue.
Liveaboard Itinerary
Liveaboard Departure-Arrival LocationThe MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard departs and returns from the port none selected. Please click here: MSY Tiger Blue to find out how to get from to join the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard's departure port none selected.
Itinerary and videosThe itineraries below for the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard don't necessarily tie in with the videos directly below the itinerary heading. The itineraries are examples of dive trips offered by this liveaboard, and the videos are examples of videos taken when diving from the MSY Tiger Blue dive boat.
Itinerary Option 1Komodo (Labuan Bajo - Labuan Bajo)
Number of Dives On TripYou will be able to dive up to 20 times in total on the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard diving trips. The number of times you dive will depend on the itinerary you select.
Your Diver Certification LevelIf you choose the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard for your scuba diving trip to Indonesia, make sure you select the right itinerary for your diver certification level. Different itineraries include the following alternative PADI certification levels (or equivalent): No Scuba Diving Certification Needed: NO; Open Water Diver: YES; Advanced Open Water Diver: YES.
Your Logged DivesWhen choosing the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard for your dive trip to Indonesia, make sure you select the right itinerary for how many logged dives you've done. Itineraries on the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard include the following alternatives: No minimum logged dives: NO; 3-5 logged dives: NO; 10 logged dives: NO; 20 logged dives: NO; 30 logged dives: YES; 40 logged dives: NO; 50 logged dives or more: YES; Minimum 60 logged dives: NO; Minimum 80 logged dives: NO; Minimum 100 logged dives: NO.
Type of DivingThe type of diving experienced from the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard includes: Coral Gardens, Deep Dives, Drift Diving, Marine Life, Night Dives, Pinnacles, Wall Diving, Warm Water Diving, Wreck Diving, Swim-Through's and Caverns.
Marine Life SpeciesThe sea life you might see on your Indonesia liveaboard dive trip depends on the time of year you choose to dive, and on which Indonesia liveaboard and liveaboard itinerary you book. But ultimately the sea creatures you see when scuba diving is always down to nature itself. With these parameters in mind, the marine life you may spot when scuba diving on the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard in Indonesia might include:
SharksYou may see the following sharks species: Blacktip Reef Sharks, Bull Sharks, Epaulette Shark, Grey Reef Sharks, Leopard Shark, Scalloped Hammerhead Sharks, Short Fin Mako Sharks, Silky Sharks, Silver Tip Sharks, Thresher Sharks, Tiger Sharks, Whale Sharks, Whitetip Reef Sharks, Wobbegong Shark, Zebra Shark.
Video TitleKOMODO DIVING | Best of Season 3 (Award Winning Video) - 9 liveaboard trips + 1 whale watching trip and around 200 hours spent underwater to put this footage together! A combination of aerial and underwater scenes captured at the park national of Komodo
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Liveaboard Cost and Booking
Included In The PriceThe price that starts at £422/Day ($532/€490) for booking the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard includes: Airport Transfer, Beach BBQ, Beach Towels, Cabin Towels, Complimentary Toiletries, Deck Towels, Diving Package, Drinking Water, Fishing, Full-Board Meal Plan (All meals), Hotel Transfer, Kayaks, Land Excursions, Laundry Service, Naturalist Guide, Port Fees, Pressing Service, Snacks, Snorkel Equipment, Snorkelling Guide, Soft Drinks, Stand-up Paddle Boards, Tea & Coffee, Wakeboarding, Water Skiing, Welcome Cocktails.
Paid For Optional ExtrasThe following are optional extras when you book the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard: Alcoholic Beverages, Gratuities, Local Flights, Massage, Rental Gear, Scuba Diving Courses, Spa, Yoga.
Paid For Required ExtrasThe following are required extras when you book the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard: National Park Fees.
Boat Capacity
Boat Length34 metres (112 feet).
Maximum Guests12
Cabins and BathroomsThe MSY Tiger Blue dive boat has 5 cabins and 5 bathrooms.
Cabin TypesThe MSY Tiger Blue has the following cabin types: double cabins, twin cabins, double cabin with one single bed.
Family cabins onboardFamily cabins onboard: YES.
Advanced Divers
Advanced Diver Benefits (Max 3)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 3 out of 3 (i.e. 100%) 'Advanced Diver Benefits', which include: Rebreather Support: YES; Sidemount Diving YES; Tech Diving: YES.
Underwater Photographers
Underwater Photographer Benefits (Max 3)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 2 out of 3 (i.e. 67%) 'Underwater Photographer Benefits', which include: Camera Room: NO; Camera Station: YES; Separate Rinse For U/W Cameras: YES.
Non-Diver Activities
Non-Diving Activities (Max 17)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 9 out of 17 (i.e. 53%) 'Non-Diving Activities', which include: Fishing: YES; Glass Bottom Boat: NO; Jacuzzi/Hot Tub: NO; Jet Skiing: NO; Kayaks: YES; Land Excursions: YES; Massage: NO; Naturalist Itineraries: [naturalist_Itineraries]; Naturalist Guide: YES; Non-Diver (Snorkeler) Friendly: YES, Sauna: NO; Snorkel Equipment: NO; Spa: NO; Stand Up Paddle Boards: YES; Wakeboarding: YES; Water Skiing: YES; Yoga: NO.
Onboard Entertainment (Max 2)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 2 out of 2 (i.e. 100%) 'Entertainment Features': Audio And Entertainment: YES; Library: YES.
Traveller Benefits
Travel Benefits (Max 6)The MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard has 5 out of 6 (i.e. 83%) 'Traveller Benefits', which include: Airport Transfer: YES; Available For Charter: YES, Budget Friendly: NO, Dedicated Local & International Crew: YES; Hotel Transfer: YES; Welcome Cocktails; YES.
Languages Spoken OnboardThe crew onboard the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard are able to speak the following languages: English, Indonesian.
Liveaboard Summary
ConclusionAll-inclusive trip with up to 20 dives on the MSY Tiger Blue Indonesia liveaboard from £422/day ($532/€490) & rated 9.6 + SDE Lux Rated 81%. Up to 12 divers on a 34m 112f Indonesian wooden phinisi dive boat with 5 cabins, 5 bathrooms + aircon cabins, for charter, caters for dietary requirements, ensuite cabins, dive courses, scuba gear rental. Click MSY Tiger Blue for more information.
More InformationTo discover more about the MSY Tiger Blue diving liveaboard or to check availability for your dive trip to Indonesia you can do this here: MSY Tiger Blue. But if you want to compare this Indonesia liveaboard with one of the other liveaboards from Indonesia, please take a look at the table below.
* NoteThe above cost per day was correct at the time of producing this article. Also, the exchange rate used for GBP to USD is 1.26 and for GBP to Euro is 1.16. For an up-to-date cost for the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard, please visit this link: MSY Tiger Blue.
Hope you enjoyed this review about this liveaboard
Comments or QuestionsIf you have more questions either about snorkelling or scuba diving (or specifically about the MSY Tiger Blue Indonesia Liveaboard), please comment below with your questions.
Please SharePlease share details about the experience you had on the MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard. Tell us about the dive sites you dived, the time of year of your trip, what marine life you saw, the visibility, the weather and any currents you experienced. Your comments will add to this MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard review, and they will help other scuba divers decide if this is the right Indonesia liveaboard for them.
Have Fun & Be SafeThere will also be many more pages and articles about scuba diving and scuba diving safety tips (and on snorkelling too) for you to read and learn about this fabulous sport. Please don't forget to rate the MSY Tiger Blue liveaboard above if you've already dived in Indonesia from this dive boat, but also make sure you have fun and be safe.
MSY Tiger Blue Liveaboard Diving Review Indonesia Komodo
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Article written by Russell Bowyer who has been a scuba diver since diving on the Great Barrier Reef in Australia in 1989. After his first dive he trained as a BSAC diver in the UK. He attained his Diver Leader certification with BSAC. He then went on to become a scuba diving instructor, teaching others how to dive and was voted as Diving Officer and Treasurer for the Saffron Walden BSAC club too. Russell has dived all over the world, including the UK, on liveaboards in the Red Sea, the Caribbean, South Africa and the USA. Russell is experienced in all dive types, including drift diving, deep dives that involved decompression stops and recreational dives too.
